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. __ . . -*- N A M V E T -*- ____/ \_ . . ( * . . Managing Editor Quangtri . . ---------------- \_/ \_ Hue . . G. Joseph Peck \_Ashau Phu Bai . . \_* \_ . . Editorial Assistants * ) . . -------------------- _/ Danang . . Pete Farias |/ ( \_*Chu Lai . . Sarge Hultgren --*-- \_ ------- \__ . . /| \_ I Corps . . Distribution Manager ------- ! . . ------------ /\_____ ! . . Jerry Hindle / ! . . ! !___ . . Section Editors ! /\____! . . --------------- ! ! . . IN-TOUCH: Ray "Frenchy" Moreau / Dak To ! . . INCARCERATED VETS: Joyce Flory / * / . . NEED-TO-KNOW: Lefty Frizzell ! \_ . . VETERAN EMPLOYMENT: Fred Sochacki ! Phu Cat . . MIA/POW: Marsha Ledeman * * ) . . AGENT ORANGE: Jim Ferguson Pleiku ) . . KEEPER OF THE LIST: Charlie Revie . . / / . . "In the jungles of 'Nam, some of us ( -------- ! . . were scared and wary, but we pulled _ II Corps ! . . one another along and were able / -------- . . to depend on each other. That has . . never changed. Today, free of the ! * / . . criticisms and misunderstandings _/ Nhatrang / . . many veterans have endured, _/ / . . NAM VET is a shining beacon, __/ ! . . a ray of hope, and a _ __/ ! . . reminder that the _____( )/ ! Camranh Bay . . lessons learned / !__ ! . . at such a high / / . . price shall not Bien Hoa / . . be forgotten - ! Chu Chi * __/ . . nor the errors \_ * --------- ___/ . . repeated!!!" ____ III Corps _/ . . / \_____) )_(_ --------- !__/ Duplication in . . ! ( ___/ any form permitted . . _____! \__ * ___/ for NONCOMMERCIAL . . ! Saigon/ purposes ONLY! . . \___ -------- / / . . IV Corps / For other use, contact: . . ) -------- / . . / ! G. Joseph Peck (413) 442-1660 . . / ____/ Managing Editor . . / Mekong/ . . ! Delta/ This newsletter is comprised of articles . . ! ____/ and items from individuals and other . . ! / sources. We are not responsible for the . . ! / content of this information nor are any of . . ! __/ NAM VETs contributors or Section Editors. . . \_/ gjp . . .
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T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S
1. Editorials Once upon a long time ago... ............................. 1 Thanks ................................................... 3 Murphy's list continues to grow! ......................... 4
2. Sister Vets Chronology of Vietnam Women's Memorial Project ........... 6 Monumental Difference .................................... 9 VWMP's Sister Search ..................................... 10 VWMP's Sister Search Form ................................ 11 **************************Part 2/7************************************* 3. In-Touch EDS and VETLink helps vets get "In Touch"! ............... 12 Khe Sanh Vet searches for info on KIA brother ............ 14 They haven't forgotten US!!! ............................. 15 In-Touch: What is it??? .................................. 16 IN-TOUCH Registration/Request Form!!! .................... 19 KheSanh Vet Newsletter "Red Clay" ........................ 21 Khe Sanh Innovations and Information ..................... 22
**************************Part 3/7************************************* 4. Drums be not Silent Freedom Now! ............................................. 23 POW Items Available ...................................... 27 Pentagon admits "POWs alive in Laos!" .................... 28 Not prepared to be abandoned! ............................ 30 Anatomy of MIA/POW Scam! ............................. 35 DIA wants to stop POW search ............................. 38 **************************Part 4/7************************************* 5. Shiftin' Sands Desert Storm Trophies WARNING! ........................... 40 Desert Storm Vet Not Forgotten! .......................... 41 She Flies Ever High!!! ................................... 42 Long Time Now ............................................ 43 War Criminal Hussein and 'Nam PM Not? .................... 44
6. Don't drink the water! Agent Orange & Adverse Health Effects .................... 48 NJ A/O Commission - Attention Women Vets! ................ 52 NJ Agent Orange Alert! ................................... 54 Break out the Clearasil
! ............................ 55
7. A Family Affair SURVIVOR's - A program for veterans and families ......... 56 Hands Across Time ........................................ 60 Kokomo Vet Reunion... Vet groups - CHECK YOUR SIX! ....... 61
8. Veterans n' Jobtalk EMPLOYMENT: A Report by DAV's RONALD W. DRACH ............ 63 Hiring quota's make a Job NOT a Job! ..................... 69 Applied Dedication and Commitment ....................... 71
9. Forgotten - again? Veterans Forgotten? ...................................... 72 Jungle to Jail - Part 1 .................................. 77 VIET CONS ..................... 78 A visit or note once in awhile? .......................... 81 Petition/Form for POW US Postal Stamp ................... 82 10. Over Montezuma, Anchors yonder! The Eight Days of Creation ............................... 83 The Electronic Chapel .................................... 84 To Those Born Before 1945 ................................ 85
**************************Part 7/7************************************* 11. Hmmm... Only the Phony ... Fake Vets Cash In ..................... 87 Persevere in dealings with COVA .......................... 94
12. Charlie's Angels VIETNAM_VETS: Where? ..................................... 98 Some Gave All... ......................................... 101
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================================================================== Editorials ==================================================================
Once upon a long time ago... By G. Joseph Peck NamVet's Managing Editor VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313
Once upon a long time ago "advisors" were sent to a little country across the sea. Soon thereafter, a US President said "Ask not what your country can do for YOU... ask what YOU can do for your country!" Almost immediately, there thronged to military recruitment centers around the country hordes of young Americans, eager and willing to do what proud countrymen had done in ages past: Defend America and her principles - this time in a country called Viet Nam.
With leaders that often pulled in different directions, objectives taken only to be quickly abandoned, America super-examining HER conscience and losing many of her finest, military strength began to decrease and "Project 100,000" (A Great Society "brainchild" instituted to get America's disadvantaged youth 'off the streets' and teach military discipline and skills) was instituted. Soon that, too, disturbed the conscience of America.
Proud defenders of freedom they, returning soldiers were treated with less-than-honorable regard as America "punished the warriors" for doing what their country had asked them to do.
Once upon a long time ago, too, on a cold and quiet Wyoming night, a computer-using veteran tap-tap-tapped out a message on his keyboard to another veteran who "understood" and "talked the same language" into an echo called VIETNAM_VETS. A "bouncing betty" had taken the legs from that veteran and he was confined to his home "for the duration".
Soon, heavens that once were filled with tears melted into a link of brotherhood. And that "brotherhood" grew and grew and grew as more and more veterans discovered they weren't alone in their nightmares, troubles and successes - and they began to communicate with one another. Other "echoes" (message bases that were exchanged with other BBSs and their users) were created as VIETNAM_VETS discovered the wide range of topics that America's veterans had in common - or wanted to learn more about... and VETNet was born.
On Veterans' Day, 1987 (11/11/87) there entered into the computer- using veterans' world an electronic newsletter that would distill some of the information from VIETNAM_VETS and the VETNet echoes and add other articles that all veterans (and their families) might like to know about. "NamVet" - the electronic newsletter by, for and about veterans and the issues that concern them - became a monthly reality!
No "magic wand" was waved, nor was there anyone "behind the scenes" casting spells or other incantations upon the messages in VIETNAM_VETS and the VETNet echoes. Almost miraculously, a
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"loosening of the chains" began to take place. Veterans, once solely focused on the "rejection" they endured when they returned to civilian life, began to communicate about BASIC training, weaponry used in battle, tracers, dustoffs, medevacs, soldier "games" and happenings, EARNED veteran benefits that often were being denied by a cold an' sterile Veterans Administration and other agencies ... and VETLink #1 - on the scene from almost day one - increased its efforts to touch ALL veterans.
VETLink #2 (703-471-8010), with SysOp Ray "Frenchy" Moreau at the Herndon, VA helm, added his efforts, equipment and expertise; VETLink #3 (314-334-6359) in Cape Girardeau, MO with SysOp Mike Bryeans continuously added his programming expertise and an awful lot of needed help; VETLink #4 (301-261-5644) in Shady Side, MD with SysOp Jim Hildwine added his communications expertise; and VETLink #5 (201-778-1879) in Passaic, NJ with SysOp Fred Sochacki "Semper Fidelis"-ing all the way
... and the VETLink #? BBS, each carrying the VETNet echoes, important veteran text files and many issues of NamVet, became truly a LINKing of the proud VETerans of our nation - with each new VETLink BBS adding a new and sometimes colorful hue to the word VETERAN. (VETLink's 4 and 5 will soon be adding special and unique echoes to the VETNet echoes)
Once upon a long time ago on a cold and quiet Wyoming night, a computer-using veteran tap-tap-tapped out a message on his keyboard to another veteran who "understood" and "talked the same language" into an echo called VIETNAM_VETS --
...and his brothers and sisters, in an electronic way, have answered the call!
The MORAL of this story? "Ya ain't alone, brother and sister veteran! If you wanna talk to a brother/sister veteran or you need veteran benefit information or want to find out about a reunion or try to find out about a veteran you've lost contact with, or anything else veteran-related, pop into the VIETNAM_VETS echo or call a VETLink near you. If there ISN'T one, think about BEING one... or ask your friendly SysOp about VETLink!!!"
'til next month Show a brother or sister veteran That YOU care!!! and we might ALL "live happily ever after"
Ci'ao for Ni'ao
- Joe -
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Thanks By Jim Hildwine NamVet's Federal Benefits Section Editor Dak To West/VETLink #4 - Shady Side, MD (301) 261-5644
In our lives, we all have a dream we'd like to see come true. To some, it's hitting the lottery for a million bucks. For others, their family's return after divorce or separation. To others, to find or see some place like Hawaii, or to go to the top of Mt. Everest. Sometimes these dreams do come true, but the key factor is not luck, it's just hard hard work, and a determination to make that dream come true. Among us walks a man. His dream five years ago was to do something with a computer to help Veterans and, to be more exact, the Vietnam Vet and Vietnam Era Vet. He has poured his life, hours, days, weeks, months and even years to accomplishing this fact. A dream comes true when one day along comes a brother VetLink #2 and it's way down south in a place called Herndon, Va. And not long after VetLink #2, then POW! Vet Link #3 pops up and starts to fall into place, and then out of nowhere here comes VetLink #4, followed by Vet Link #5. Yep folks a dream is coming true. It's not a fast dream, but its a slow, o' so painfully slow one. But the hard work, late hours, attention to detail, and devotion to a self-appointed duty is making this dream come true. Some day... Some day... This nation will have VetLinks from sea to shining sea, from Canada, to Australia, and even more. We the proud the few and then the so many Veterans need to take a few seconds out and thank a guy Named Gjoseph Peck. For Joe has carried the ball for the rest of us when we were not even sure where it was..... So from this VetLink #4,
Thanks for a job well done.
Jim Hildwine, SysOp - Dak To West/VETLink #4
[Note from Joe: I was a little humbled in placing the above in this month's NamVet. Jim specially asked me to. Thanks, Jim... Its KNOWING that in some way I've been able to help make things better for our computer-world of veterans that makes it ALL worthwhile! Welcome aboard, bro'!!! And Thanks for the Thanks!!!]
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Murphy's list continues to grow! Anonymous
A special THANKS to Dave Doehrman and Khe Sanh Vets Newsletter; Springfield, MA VVA Chapter 111; Lt. Col Jack Finch USA (Ret.) and members of the VIETNAM_VETS International Echo for helping us keep Murphy's list growing! Okay... now all we need is to have our Desert Shield/Desert Storm folks let us know how Murphy treated them? How's about it, folks?
- An Incomplete List of Murphy's Laws of Combat Operations -
1. Military intelligence can be a contradiction in terms. 2. Recoilless rifles - aren't. 3. A sucking chest wound is nature's way of telling you to slow down. 4. The enemy diversion you are ignoring is the main attack. 5. If the enemy is within range, then so are you. 6. Friendly fire - isn't. 7. If it's stupid and works, then it ain't stupid. 8. When you have secured an area, don't forget to tell the enemy. 9. If you're short of everything except the enemy, then you're in the combat zone. 10. Try to look unimportant. They may be low on ammo. 11. The easy way is always mined. 12. Tracers work both ways. 13. Sh*t happens. 14. Incoming fire has the right of way. 15. Teamwork is essential. It gives them other people to shoot at. 16. Never draw fire - it irritates everyone around you. 17. No combat ready unit has ever passed an inspection. 18. No inspection ready unit has ever passed combat. 19. Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out. 20. If both sides are convinced they're about to lose, they're both right. 21. Professionals are predictable, but the world is full of dangerous amateurs. 22. Fortify your front and you'll get your rear shot up. 23. When in doubt, empty your magazine. 24. In war, important things are very simple and all simple things are hard. 25. Don't look conspicuous, it draws fire. 26. Communications will fail as soon as you need fire support. 27. Weather ain't neutral. 28. Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you. 29. Remember, your weapon was made by the lowest bidder. 30. If you can't remember, the claymore is pointed towards you. 31. All five second grenade fuses are three seconds. 32. The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly. 33. If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush. 34. No OPLAN survives first contact intact. 35. If it flies, it dies. 36. When you are forward of your position, the artillery will always be short. 37. Suppressive fire - won't. 38. You are not Superman. 39. Cavalry doesn't always come to the rescue.
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40. B-52's are the ultimate in close air support. 41. Sniper's motto: Reach out and touch someone. 42. Peace is our profession - mass murder's just a hobby. 43. Killing for peace is like whoring for virginity. 44. There's always a way. 45. Murphy was a grunt. 46. It's not the one with your name on it - it's the round addressed "to whom it may concern" ya gotta think about. 47. Remember napalm is an area weapon. 48. Mines are equal opportunity weapons. 50. There is no such thing as the perfect plan. 51. The enemy invariably attacks on two occasions: a. when you are ready for them. b. when you are not ready for them. 52. Anything you do can get you shot, including nothing. 53. Marine math: 2 beers times 39 Marines is 49 cases. 54. Body Count Math: 2 VC plus 1 chicken and 3 pigs equals 37 enemy killed in action. 55. Things that must be together to work, can't be carried in the field that way. 56. If you take more than your share of objectives, you will be given more than your share of objectives to take.
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================================================================== Sister Vets ==================================================================
Brief Chronology of the Vietnam Women's Memorial Project Vietnam Women's Memorial Project, Inc. 2001 S Street, NW - Suite 302 Washington, D.C. 20009 (202) 328-7253 FAX (202) 328-0063 Submitted by: Martha Green VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313
1983 (September) The idea for the memorial is conceived by Diane Carlson Evans, RN, who served in Vietnam. Evans shared her dream with Rodger M. Brodin, a noted Minnesota sculptor. Together, using Brodin's skills as an artist and Evans' memories of life in Vietnam, they created a statue of a female veteran.
1984 (April) To place this statue at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C., the Vietnam Women's Memorial Project is incorporated as a nonprofit volunteer organization. Its additional goals are to educate the public about the role of women during the Vietnam war and to locate the women who served.
1985-1986 Resolutions are passed at the national conventions of major veterans organizations supporting the efforts of the Project: The American Legion, Disabled American Veterans, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Vietnam Veterans of America, Military Order of the Purple Heart, Jewish War Veterans.
1986 (May) FIRST APPROVAL OBTAINED. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund, Inc. chaired by John Wheeler and President Jan Scruggs, approve the placement of a women's memorial at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
1986-1987 Fundraising, education, public relations and Sister Search activities continue.
1987 (September) SECOND APPROVAL OBTAINED. Secretary of the Interior approves the concept of placing a Vietnam Women's Memorial at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
1987 (October) FINE ARTS COMMISSION REJECTS PROPOSAL for memorial in public hearing by a 4-1 vote.
1987 (November) S.J. 215 is introduced in the senate authorizing a Vietnam Women's Memorial at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial and companion bill H.R. 3628 is introduced in the House.
1988 (February) Hearings are held on S.J. 2042 before the Senate Subcommittee on Public Lands, National Parks and Forests to complete the Vietnam Veterans Memorial with a Vietnam Women's Memorial.
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1988 (May) To comply with the Commemorative Works Act, the law governing the process for the authorization and placement of approved memorials, the VWMP must receive site approval before it can proceed with the presentation of a memorial design for approval.
1988 (June) Project Headquarters move from Minneapolis to Washington, D.C.
1988 (June) Senate passes S.J. 2042 by a vote of 96-1.
1988 (June) Hearings held before the House Subcommittee on Libraries and Memorials.
1988 (September) House of Representatives rejects the language of S.J. 2042, and on September 23 passes another version of the bill to authorize a memorial to women who served in Vietnam. However, language does not specify the site of the memorial, other than it be placed on federal lands in Washington, D.C. or its environs. This adds a level of concern that without specification, the memorial could be built in a less appropriate place.
1988 (October 12) The Senate passes an amended version of S.J. 2042 as passed by the House, authorizing that the memorial be placed on federal lands in Washington, D.C. or its environs.
1988 (October 21) Just hours before the adjournment of the 100th Congress, the House rejects the Senate's amendment. The Senate receded to the House position.
1988 (November 15) President Reagan signs S.J. 2042, which becomes Public Law 100-600, authorizing the approval for a Vietnam Women's Memorial.
1989 (October 31) Senate approves Area I site specificity for the Vietnam Women's Memorial.
1989 (November 17) House approves Area I site specificity for the Vietnam Women's Memorial.
1989 (November 28) President Bush signs legislation authorizing Area I site for the Vietnam Women's Memorial.
1990 (April) National Capital Memorial Commission and Commission of Fine Arts approve specific sites within Area I for the Vietnam Women's Memorial.
1990 (May) National Capital Memorial Commission approves specific sites within Area I for the Vietnam Women's Memorial.
1990 (August 20) National Open One-Stage Design Competition launched for design of the Vietnam Women's Memorial.
1990 (Veterans Day) Co-Finalists and Honorable Mentions of
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Design Competition announced at Press Conference, National Building Museum, Washington, D.C.
1991 (June) Glenna Goodacre, Santa Fe, New Mexico, Honorable Mention Winner, selected by VWMF Board of Directors to design the Vietnam Women's Memorial.
1991 (September 12) Vietnam Women's Memorial approval by National Capital Memorial Commission.
1991 (September 19) Vietnam Women's Memorial to be presented before Commission of Fine Arts for final approval.
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Even a small donation
can make a monumental difference.
Efforts are now underway to erect a monument on the grounds of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial that recognizes the role played by women veterans. The Vietnam Women's Memorial Project is conducting this drive as part of a larger effort to educate all Americans about the vital services provided by over 265,000 women, military and civilian, during the Vietnam War. O O O O O O O O O O O O O Your contribution, large or small, O O will help ensure that these women's O O sacrifices are not forgotten. O __________ O O ) O /(O) / O / / O / VIETNAM / / WOMEN'S /HONORING / MEMORIAL / THE / PROJECT / WOMEN / / WHO / / SERVED / (__________/ / / / / _ /_/ Yes, I want to help honor America's Women Vietnam veterans. My tax-deductible contribution is enclosed. _ /_/ Send me more information abut how I can help make this dream a reality. _ /_/ I am a woman who served during the Vietnam era.
NAME ____________________________________________________________ ADDRESS _________________________________________________________ CITY ______________________________________ STATE ______________ ZIP ____________________ PHONE __________________________________
Clip and mail along with your contribution to: VWMP 2001 S St., NW Suite 710 Washington, DC 20009
VIETNAM WOMEN'S MEMORIAL PROJECT A legacy of Healing and Hope
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Vietnam Women's Memorial Project, Inc. "Sister Search" Submitted by: Martha Green VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313
The Vietnam Women's Memorial Project's "SISTER SEARCH" is a program designed to locate the military and civilian women who served their country during the Vietnam War.
The goals of "SISTER SEARCH" are to facilitate hope and healing among women veterans; to provide a network for them; and to assist research efforts on women who served during the Vietnam War.
Vietnam era women veterans are asked to provide as much information as they feel comfortable sharing. Although "Sister Search" is NOT a locator service, should an inquiry be made as to whereabouts of a person included in the "SISTER SEARCH" database, the VWMP will pass the inquiry along in writing to the individual, allowing her to decide whether she would like to respond. If the individual is deceased, the inquiry will be sent to the closest family member identified by the VWMP.
All women veterans in the "SISTER SEARCH" database will periodically receive information on the Project's progress and ultimately receive an invitation to the dedication ceremonies in Washington, D.C.
The Vietnam Women's Memorial Project is a non-profit, volunteer organization with the threefold purpose of: educating the public about the women who served during the Vietnam era; locating and providing a network for these women; and placing a realistic representation of a Vietnam woman veteran on the grounds of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, DC. The Project has the support of every major veterans group in America, including the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund.
For more information, contact:
"SISTER SEARCH" Vietnam Women's Memorial Project 2001 'S' Street NW Suite #302 Washington DC 20009
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Vietnam Women's Memorial Project, Inc. 2001 'S' Street NW - Suite 302 - Washington DC 20009 (202) 328-7253 FAX: (202) 328-0063 Submitted by: Martha Green VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313
Name:________________________Vietnam Era Name: ___________________ (If different) Address:_____________________________________ Work #: ____/_______ City:________________ State: __ Zip:________ Home #:
Branch of Service or Civilian Organization: ___________________________________________
In-Country (Vietnam) Assignment #1: ___________________________________________________ Start Date: ___________________________ End Date: ________________ Assignment #2: ___________________________________________________ Start Date: ___________________________ End Date: ________________ Assignment #3: ___________________________________________________ Start Date: ___________________________ End Date: ________________
Vietnam Era (1959-1975) Assignment: ______________________________________________________ Start Date: ___________________________ End Date: ________________
The Project receives inquires from the press and researchers in search of Vietnam era women veterans who are willing to share their experiences.Your participation as a press/research/education contact is strictly optional.
I authorize the Vietnam Women's Memorial Project to release my name to individuals or organizations who are seeking information on Vietnam era women veterans for press inquirries, research or educational activities.
Signature ________________________________________ Date __________
I authorize the Vietnam Women's Memorial Project to release my name to the National Associate Volunteer, Regional and/or State Coordinator in my area. -------------------| FOR OFFICE USE | DATE RECEIVED: | | Signature ___________________ Date __________ TRANSFER: | | Please list the names and addresses of any ENTER: | other Vietnam era women veterans you know on | the back of this form. | COMMENTS: | -------------------| Thank you for participating in SISTER SEARCH
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================================================================== In-Touch ==================================================================
EDS and VETLINK helps vets get In Touch By Ray "Frenchy" Moreau NamVet's In-Touch Section Editor Herndon Byte Exchange/VETLink #2 - Herndon, VA (703) 471-8010
Ninety-six people have volunteered their time at the tenth annual Vietnam Veterans Reunion in Kokomo, Indiana from September 12 through 15, 1991 to help others learn more about family members or fellow veterans who were lost in the Vietnam war.
The "In Touch" program, which combines computer technology with the work of Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, was in operation Friday through Sunday - 9/12-15. The "Buddy Search" which uses an online Bulletin Board System software called OSIRIS was linked via the Delco Switch to the Herndon Byte eXchange/Veterans Memorial Gateway BBS in Herndon, VA. The System Operator, Ray "Frenchy" Moreau, is a technical manager with EDS who designed the "In Touch" system and was the recipient of 1991 FOSE Award. Frenchy is also a retired Senior Chief Petty Officer of the United States Navy with over four tours in Vietnam. The "Buddy Search" and associated data bases is available to the public via their nearest Vetlink or FIDONET backbone on the International Vietnam Veterans Echo Conference (IVVEC). More than ten major VETLinks are now in place and its presence is creating interest among many large groups including EDS.
The weekend effort marked the second year that "In Touch" made its presence and the first year for a new online "Buddy" search system. Both were extremely successful. EDS had one AT system next to the moving Wall in order to facilitate the search for our Wall vets. Three additional AT systems were located in the non- profit tent and were primarily used to locate family, relatives and friends of our KIA and MIA brothers.
More than 25,000 requests were made of the "In Touch" systems. More than 2,000 entries were provided for the "Buddy Search" online system.
All data that was gathered during the reunion will be entered by EDS volunteers in Herndon as well as the Friends in Washington, DC.
The Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial is a non-profit organization that supports the National Park Service by helping the thousands of people who visit the Wall on a daily basis. Friends also provides educational services, assistance to Vietnam veterans and volunteers who help at the memorial.
Frenchy was involved for the entire EDS effort in Kokomo. "Many of the vets were still grasping out of the 60's" Frenchy stated. "You could smell the booze throughout the tent area; yet, not one can or bottle of booze was anywhere next or close to the moving Wall." Frenchy stated that in many ways he felt ashamed, especially when the local police busted up some "vegetable matter"
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users. He ended the conversation with "Yes, I felt shame, but I also looked in their eyes and was able to see the depth of pain, the longing to belong to something, someone or an organization". He also stated that "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones, in retrospect they should reach out to assist. We have turned our heads on many, let's not turn our heads on our brothers."
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Khe Sanh Vet searches for info on KIA brother Input by Dave Doehrman Semper Fi BBS - Ft. Wayne, IN (219) 424-4292
The following was copied from the "Khe Sanh Veteran Newsletter". Hopefully someone can help.
I have been looking for information about my brother, PFC Michael Glenn Lipsius, D Co, 5th Bn, 7th CAV, 2nd Bde, 1st Air Cav, KIA 4/19/68.
He participated in Operation Pegasus to relieve Khe Sanh, and from there headed for A Shau Valley, where he was shot down. My brother and I were from a broken family. He did not know where my dad was, we did not know where he was, for 12 years. While in Vietnam, Mike somehow got our Dad's address and wrote a letter home. The next day we got the telegram. All these years I have had a difficult time knowing him only as "the remains", and pretending he never existed is not possible. Any assistance or information you could offer would be greatly appreciated.
Jane Lipsius Barnes 7 Plymouth Pl. Williamsville, NY 14221
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In-Touch. What is it ???
Input by: Ray "Frenchy" Moreau NAM VETs IN-TOUCH Section Editor Herndon Byte eXchange/VETLink #2 - Herndon, VA (703) 471-8010 =================================================================
|+++++++++++++++++++++++++ IN TOUCH ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++| | There are some 43 million people in the United States whose | | lives were directly and irrevocably touched by the Vietnam | | War. | | | | Almost four million people served in Vietnam -- the longest, | | and perhaps most difficult, war in our history. More than a | | quarter of a million were seriously wounded. 58,175 are dead | | or missing. | | | | Each of those who returned recognizes the true cost of war. | | But so too do the families and friends, wives and lovers of | | those listed on the Wall. They too paid a tremendous price, | | not always recognized... many still do. | | | | Though twenty years have passed, it seems that is the period | | people have needed to get the distance necessary to begin to | | address the unresolved, deeply personal issues that have | | been haunting them since the war. Perhaps that is a measure | | of the pain. | | | | But, the "healing of a nation" that was intended by the | | building of the Memorial, has begun. | | | | In the office of the Friends of the Vietnam Veterans | | Memorial, we hear them on the other end of the phone on | | any given day, and far into the night, they call from all | | corners of the country. | | | | "If only I could find out..." | | "I need to find his family so I can keep my promise..." | | "I just want to talk to someone who was with him... " | | "Please, can you help...?" | | | | At the Wall, we find them every day. Veterans who have not | | spoken of their experiences even to their most intimate | | family members are now beginning, tentatively, to seek a | | responsive ear. | | | | Brothers and sisters, parents and even wives who were simply | | never allowed full expression of their grief because of the | | fierce pressures of the time, are now coming forward, | | looking for someone who can help with their healing. | | | | We hear from children, now 15 - 25 years old, who are | | searching for bits and pieces of information they can | | assemble to help fill that empty place in their lives that | | is the father they never knew well, if at all. And they want | | to talk to each other, to share their special needs and the | | unique experience of growing up with a father on the Wall. | | They understand each other all too well. |
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| | | Millions of Americans need to meet and talk because of the | | Wall, and only the Friends can help them. | | | | Initial discussions with many other national organizations | | whose work brings them into contact with Vietnam veterans | | and their loved ones have attested to the need for IN TOUCH | | and their willingness to help. | | | | Simply put, the Friends will draw on its special work at the | | Memorial, its acquired and available data bases and | | programs designed and integrated by Electronic Data Systems | | (EDS), and the commitment and concern of its volunteers to | | place people with a common association to a name on the Wall | | to be in voluntary communication with each other. | | | | From there, we will let human nature take its good course. | | And let the healing begin. | | | | The starting point for the data base will be the more than | | twenty thousand names of people who have requested name | | rubbings from our volunteers in Washington. Each will be | | contacted and given the opportunity to participate by being | | listed in the IN TOUCH central data base file. | | | | Confidentiality is the keyword to cooperation and IN TOUCH | | will respect the integrity of all lists and records. Lists | | will be unavailable for public use and will not be | | distributed for any commercial purpose. | | | | By its nature, IN TOUCH must reach far beyond the veterans | | community in order to be successful. With professional | | guidance, the Friends will develop a program of on-going | | articles and other coverage in major media markets, high- | | lighting the personal experiences of people as they are put | | "in touch." The International Vietnam Veterans Echo | | Conference via the Herndon Byte eXchange 1:109/316 node as | | the enter point for gathering and disseminating information | | will be used. Aside from bringing the program into public | | awareness, these articles and stories will serve as a val- | | uable tool for public education on a wealth of matters | | relating to the Vietnam era. | | | | As a preliminary test of the IN TOUCH project, the Friends | | has implemented a pilot project to test the design and | | demands of such a program. Several hundred requests with | | full background information have been entered into a system | | designed to match requestor data with the existing Memorial | | data. Even with such a small sample, limited data and a | | fairly unsophisticated cross-indexing system, matches have | | been made and IN TOUCH has produced its first real | | connections. The results have been as profoundly moving for | | the participants as expected. And as gratifying for the | | Friends. | | | | But it was clear that the information management system and | | the supporting hardware system would have to be more power- | | ful and more complex in order to handle thousands, perhaps | | hundreds of thousands, of requests. Confidentiality of the |
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| system and information must be paramount. | | | | With well over 2,000 Vietnam veterans, Electronic Data | | Systems (EDS) became involved and has been generous in its | | assistance with designing the data management systems which | | will be critical to a successful program. The Friends have | | reached a three-year working agreement with EDS which | | promises continuity and maximum potential for success in | | building an information bank that can truly help people in | | their search for others who knew a loved one. | | | | The Friends are delighted that Bob Hope has agreed to make | | a public service announcement which we can use on radio and | | television to help get the word out to the public on the | | availability of the service. | | | | The Friends are also pleased to note that Hewlett Packard, | | Zenith Data Systems, Borland International, FASTCOMM | | Communications Corporation and the First National Bank of | | Chicago have all contributed computer equipment, computer | | software, and office equipment to the project, so they are | | beginning to feel fully functional. | | | | The Friends hear from people who have long been living with | | the pain of loss and looking for a way to heal. For | | instance, the Friends recently received a letter from a | | woman who wrote: | | | | Dear Friends: | | For quite some time I have been searching for a | | way to know my brother. It seems hopeless at times. | | I was 12 when he was killed... I had waited for the | | day he would come back to us. He never did. A part | | of me will always be 12 and continue to wait. | | Thank you for giving me hope that there may be | | a way to find him and bring him home to my heart..." | | | | + + + | | | | The Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial | | Electronic Data Systems | | Herndon Byte eXchange TCOMMnet BBS 1:109/316 | | | |+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++|
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IN-TOUCH Registration/Request Form
THIS FORM REQUIRES SIGNATURE FOR CONFIDENTIALITY RELEASE PLEASE READ BELOW ------------------------------------------------------------------ I wish to be IN TOUCH with (Please circle and/or comment) Family, Friends and/or Fellow Veterans of the following: __________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________
----------- PERSON WHO DID NOT COME BACK FROM VIETNAM ------------
First Name_____________ Middle Name___________ Last Name__________ Relationship to You and/or Reason for Request (Answer as fully as possible)_____________________________________ __________________________________________________________________
-------- ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT HIM/HER - IF KNOWN ---------
Rank_______ Birth Date ______________ Soc. Sec. # ________________ Tour Date of Birth _______________ Where Buried __________________ Branch of Service: AR__ NA__ AF__ MC__ CG__ RC__ CIV__ (Fill in his/her equivalent unit designations in the spaces below) Di